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Bill Gross: Top Bond Gun

Last Updated: May 29, 2009Posted in Bonds, Individual Gurus

Guru Accuracy Rating
46%
This is below average. Current guru average is 47%

A reader suggested that we evaluate the forecasting prowess of Bill Gross, manager for PIMCO of the world’s largest bond fund. PIMCO describes itself as “one of the largest specialty fixed income managers in the world…” The predictions/recommendations evaluated here extend as far back as February 2000 and come from columns in MarketWatch, CNN/Money and TheStreet.com. The table below presents highlights from his commentary and shows the change in the 10-year Treasury note (T-note) yield (as a proxy for bond/interest rate behavior) over the 21, 63, 126 and 254 trading days after the publication date for each item. Note that a decline in T-note yield means a gain in T-note price. Red plus (minus) signs to the right of specific items indicate those that the market has subsequently proven right (wrong). We conclude that:

  • Most of Bill Gross’ forecasts come from media reports on his regular market commentary at the PIMCO web site and from media interviews. The media is sometimes highly repetitive in reporting his forecasts, and we intentionally require at least a few weeks spacing for forecasts of the same type.
  • In this evaluation, we focus on his forecasts for Treasury instrument yields, stocks and the Federal Funds Rate. He does comment frequently on other topics such as economic growth, inflation and the dollar.
  • Mr. Gross sometimes makes multi-aspect forecasts which prove to have both correct and incorrect components. In a few cases, we evaluate a forecast with “0” and grade him both right and wrong.
  • He famously (and incorrectly) predicted in September 2002 that the Dow Jones Industrial Average would fall to 5000.
  • Bill Gross’ forecast sample size is moderate, as is confidence in the measurement of his accuracy.

Here is an additional note to augment the tabular summary below:

From Murray Coleman in MarketWatch (1/3/08): “Morningstar’s Fixed-Income Manager of the Year accolade [for 2007] went to Pimco’s Bill Gross. His team running Pimco Total Return (PTTDX) has won the award three times now.”

We are not including these results in the Guru Grades snapshot because Mr. Gross focuses predominantly on bonds rather than stocks.

    10-year T-note Yield  
Date Comments re: Bill Gross at MarketWatch, CNN/Money and TheStreet.com 21-Day Change 63-Day Change 126-Day Change 254-Day Change  
2/2/09 …most Treasurys are widely viewed as expensive and low-yielding. Conventional Treasurys offer “little reward and increasing risk.” 0.29% 0.45%     +
5/22/08 …investors should shun Treasurys, including inflation-protected Treasurys, and put their money into commodity-backed assets. 0.25% -0.12% -0.38% -0.23%
12/5/07 Standby for a tumultuous 2008…, accompanied by Fed Funds levels at 3% or lower. -0.16% -0.38% 0.03% -1.27% +
10/1/07 …the Fed will probably cut the federal funds rate from 4.75% to 3.75% within the next six to 12 months. -0.18% -0.46% -1.02% -0.91% +
9/18/07 …the Fed will likely have to cut rates as low as 3.5% to counter the weak growth that he expects over the next year and a half. 0.07% -0.25% -0.38% -0.71% +
7/24/07 Weakness in junk bonds and subprime-mortgage markets could lead to as much as a double-digit correction in U.S. stock markets. -0.32% -0.54% -1.46% -0.83% +
6/26/07 …recent subprime mortgage woes will spread, and prompt the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates. -0.32% -0.48% -0.93% -1.11% +
6/7/07 …he’s now a “bear market manager” and has raised his forecast for the yield on the benchmark 10-year note to 4 percent to 6.5 percent, up from last year’s forecast of 4 to 5.5 percent. 0.06% -0.63% -1.19% -1.00%
3/27/07 Tighter lending standards and stricter regulations will slow the U.S. economy and force the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates “significantly”. 0.07% 0.47% 0.01% -1.18% +
1/5/07 Rate cuts totaling 100 points will reduce the fed funds rate from its current level of 5.25% to 4.25% by late 2007. 0.11% 0.02% 0.55% -0.86% +
8/28/06 Even perennial bond bull PIMCO’s Bill Gross said on Aug. 4 that the 10-year note was a bit overvalued. -0.21% -0.25% -0.25% -0.26%
7/19/06 …the most likely possibility is that the Fed will not just pause but bring an end to rate increases at its August meeting. -0.19% -0.27% -0.31% -0.12% +
7/17/06 Bill Gross…expects further increases in interest rates and subpar economic growth that could lead to a drop of at least 10% for the S&P 500. -0.14% -0.29% -0.32% -0.11%
5/19/06 …the Federal Reserve is likely to pause in its rate tightening program, leaving the fed funds rate at its current 5% level. “Five percent is about as high as we can go,” Gross said. 0.11% -0.18% -0.44% -0.19%
5/17/06 …he sees the 10-year Treasury in a range of 4 to 5.5 percent going forward. -0.02% -0.22% -0.54% -0.32% +
4/18/06 I’m basically saying there’s just one more round,” says Gross, meaning he thinks the pain will stop at 5%. 0.18% 0.10% -0.16% -0.32%
1/31/06 …Bill Gross…believes the Fed will halt its tightening campaign Tuesday and perhaps cuts rates by the end of the year. 0.11% 0.60% 0.46% 0.28%
12/19/05 Almost all assets people can buy — bonds, stocks or houses — are back in the 4 percent to 6 percent mode… “If people are expecting 10 percent-plus returns, they’re in trouble.” -0.08% 0.28% 0.72% 0.11% 0
12/8/05 …he sees the Fed stopping its rate-hiking campaign at 4.5%. -0.03% 0.30% 0.52% 0.03%
10/3/05 …the Federal Reserve would begin cutting U.S. interest rates by mid-2006. 0.22% -0.03% 0.45% 0.31%
9/16/05 “We look for a slow-growth economy over the next few quarters with still moderate inflation and the Fed stopping at 4%. We think 4% is the peak.” 0.22% 0.19% 0.46% 0.34%
7/25/05 …many big-time bond strategists, such as Pimco’s Bill Gross, don’t foresee long rates heading north anytime soon. -0.06% 0.14% 0.23% 0.74%
6/22/05 …the Fed may let up on rate increases after short-term rates reach 3.5 percent, probably in August, up from 3 percent currently. He said the Fed could actually start cutting rates later this year. 0.28% 0.30% 0.55% 1.30%
6/6/05 …it appears that opinion leaders such as Bill Gross…have moved to the bond bull camp, projecting that 10-year Treasury yields are likely to end the year with three-handles. 0.11% 0.06% 0.61% 1.03%
5/18/05 Bill Gross from Pimco said Wednesday morning that he believes interest rates might stay flat or go lower. 0.01% 0.16% 0.41% 0.96%
2/27/05 He’s guessing the 10-year yield has found a floor at 4 percent. 0.20% -0.28% -0.20% 0.38% +
12/30/04 He expects higher inflation due to the falling dollar and favors Treasury Inflation Protected Securities. -0.13% 0.24% -0.27% 0.10%
11/7/04 “…if those [people] are holders of government bonds based upon a benign outlook for inflation, they had better cash some of them in, especially at today’s 4.0 percent yield for 10-year Treasurys.” -0.09% -0.17% 0.06% 0.34%
10/28/04 …he’s still bearish on bonds. 0.25% 0.13% 0.09% 0.50% +
9/29/04 …investors [who] purchased government bonds on a “benign outlook for inflation…had better cash some of them in. -0.01% 0.20% 0.47% 0.24% +
8/10/04 …the 10-year note yield “has no where to go but up.” -0.09% -0.10% -0.24% 0.04%
7/1/04 Gross…bought about $35 billion in Treasury notes and other high-quality U.S. debt securities over the past two weeks. Value is returning to the Treasury market.” -0.11% -0.47% -0.24% -0.46% +
6/20/04 Barron’s mid-year roundtable is positive about stocks in the second half, with even Bill Gross…saying nice things. -0.20% -0.56% -0.51% -0.75% +
2/1/04 …this is a lousy time to buy U.S. stocks and bonds. -0.09% 0.35% 0.30% 0.01% +
1/16/04 …he trimmed his position in Pimco’s signature Total Return bond fund and placed the proceeds in a series of inflation-averse funds such as Pimco’s Commodity Real Return Strategy fund. 0.04% 0.34% 0.35% 0.15% +
12/12/03 …the time to move is now. He continues to recommend, as he has for months, moving into Treasury inflation-protected securities, or TIPS, which offer a fixed rate of return over inflation. …Gross also recommends buying foreign currencies along with overseas bonds and equities… -0.25% -0.47% 0.45% -0.06%
10/1/03 “…the stocks, bonds, and currency of a debtor nation in the process of reflating are not attractive investments…” 0.41% 0.35% -0.09% 0.24% 0
9/15/03 “For the next 12 months, these levels [in bond yields] will hold; the damage for the near term has been done.” 0.11% 0.00% -0.47% -0.11% +
7/16/03 …last month was probably the top for the Treasury market, just as March 2000 was the top for stocks. …the time has come to look for returns globally… 0.65% 0.32% 0.09% 0.51% +
6/11/03 Gross hedged a little, suggesting Dow 5000 to 6000 represents “fair value…” 0.45% 1.18% 1.09% 1.50%
5/16/03 …the U.S. stock market is “20 to 25 percent overvalued” at current prices. -0.19% 1.13% 0.95% 1.33%
2/28/03 “…the imminent demise of bonds…has been exaggerated…I still prefer an overvalued Treasury to an overvalued stock.” 0.12% -0.36% 0.84% 0.36%
1/20/03 Some of the best investors, including Gross, argue that bonds are still more attractive than stocks right now, given the possibility of war with Iraq. -0.14% -0.01% 0.18% 0.08%
1/8/03 “…the odds favor bear market Treasury trends…” -0.06% -0.04% -0.27% 0.10%
12/4/02 …the three-year rally in bonds could be officially O-V-E-R because of higher inflation rates. He predicts returns closer to 5 percent. “There’s little doubt…that the bond market’s salad days are over.” -0.10% -0.52% -0.84% 0.11%
9/6/02 Gross predicted stocks would continue to flounder until the Dow Jones Industrial Average hits 5000. -0.41% 0.13% -0.42% 0.23%
8/12/02 …over the next five years bonds will probably outperform stocks by a few percentage points, but both will return much less than double digits. …The next six to 12 months are going to be stinkers for most stocks. -0.28% -0.29% -0.29% 0.03%
6/24/02 “…foreign stocks and bonds will do better than U.S.-dollar-denominated securities.” -0.44% -1.06% -0.89% -1.31%
6/3/02 Long-term bond yields may touch 6.5% during…our full three- to five-year forecast period…stock investors can no longer expect 10% to 15% to 20% types of returns. Given today’s investing environment, stock and bond investors alike should reset their expectations to somewhere in the range of 5% to 7%. -0.30% -0.90% -0.83% -1.69%
5/15/02 “Although inflation should stop at 4% at the peak of our next cyclical upturn, current long bond yields do not reflect this risk. We may see 6.5% long Treasury yields or more before we are done.” -0.39% -1.19% -1.40% -1.88%
4/17/02 …the Fed will raise the fed funds rate to 3% by the end of this year. -0.03% -0.56% -1.22% -1.24%
2/1/02 The long bull market in bond prices and the long downtrend in bond yields…is basically over. …the bull will be replaced with a trading range rather than a bear market… Inflation will come down significantly over the next six to 12 months. Since bond prices and bond yields are a function of inflation, if inflation is diving you can’t expect a new bear market in bonds. 0.13% 0.16% -0.66% -0.98%
10/1/01 Gross expects the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates by another three-quarters of a point, increasing the odds of a modest economic recovery by year-end–and boosting the bond market. …Today’s historically low bond yields reflect a fully priced stock market and an economy that is at or near a cyclical peak, he explains, adding, “We’re entering a period of diminished expectations.” -0.13% 0.57% 0.74% -0.91% +
6/26/01 “the return from bonds will mimic 5% or so. …Given 2% inflation, about a 1% dividend yield and 2% economic growth, that works out to about a 5% return for stocks, too. Stocks are overvalued and we won’t see the 10% or 15% returns we’ve come to expect.” -0.07% -0.65% -0.11% -0.48% +
5/11/01 He expects a half-percentage point cut, the fifth such reduction this year [at the Federal Reserve meeting Tuesday]. -0.24% -0.45% -1.11% -0.38% +
3/22/01 …a temporary bottom is in place for the stock market for the next month or two, “but after that, we’re based on the economy, we’re based on profits and those two aspects of the economy don’t look good.” 0.48% 0.49% -0.01% 0.57% +
2/1/01 It looks like we’re in for a hard landing, so I think the Fed will lower rates by at least half a point in January. …You want to flee to quality…you’re looking at 6% for the next couple of years, which would resemble stock returns. -0.10% 0.22% 0.01% -0.09% +
8/23/00 …he thinks Treasuries can rally. 0.11% -0.06% -0.57% -0.79% +
4/6/00 …it still makes more sense to buy long-term Treasuries than to sell them. 0.65% 0.12% -0.02% -0.84%
3/17/00 …he’s bullish on the Treasury market. -0.20% -0.15% -0.42% -1.42% +
2/2/00 …the 30-year Treasury bond yield has peaked [intermediate-maturity yields “are another story”], and that the inversion of the Treasury yield curve that has occurred in the last few weeks could last for years. -0.23% -0.29% -0.61% -1.45% +
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